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tubby2ba tubby2ba |
run your car on water
Apr 9 2008, 1:23 PM EDT http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=opmind&gclid=clzqt4--zpicfritagodyhfjgg check it out. I don't have the money to waste on this experiment, but I know you guys do! 53 out of 64 found this valuable. Do you? |
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pigman1010 pigman1010 |
RE: run your car on water
May 2 2008, 2:54 AM EDT i would love to see you guys try this experiment to prove if it is a hoax, one of these websites showed up as one of your advertisers so i am sure you could obtain the info from them. they even show a tool that modifies the M.A.P. sensor to accomadate the supposedadditional fuel that is produced.. i realize that the vehicle wouldn't run on this fuel exclusively but i am curious as to the inflated mpg gains they claim to have obtained check www.water2fuel or water4 fuel there are so many out there that there may actually be something to this..... thanks guys for the consideration 21 out of 26 found this valuable. Do you? |
 martiandrifter01 |
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May 3 2008, 11:10 PM EDT Cute gadget, bogus claims. Why not tap the cells of your lead-acid car battery and use the hydrogen gas it produces as it charges and discharges? This way, you won't need a separate electrolysis tank, and the plumbing would be simpler, too. Of course, one backfire and the whole shebang...um, sorry, I think that said it already. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
 StandardMonster |
RE: run your car on water
May 4 2008, 12:42 AM EDT Why are you so negative, have you ever tried this???? Do you know for sure? Well I do. It does work cause I have one on my car and I get 12 MPG better because of it. do not pay one of these sites for plans though. The info is out there for free. check youtube or one site I found that ha good info is this http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.html This site offers free plans start to finish. 21 out of 25 found this valuable. Do you? |
 edsparts2 |
RE: run your car on water
May 4 2008, 5:55 AM EDT "Why are you so negative, have you ever tried this???? Do you know for sure? Well I do. It does work cause I have one on my car and I get 12 MPG better because of it. do not pay one of these sites for plans though. The info is out there for free. check youtube or one site I found that ha good info is this http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.html This site offers free plans start to finish."water makes steam, it will clean out all that unburnt gasoline too, but its hard on an engine at a stop light, i used fish tank hose so i could see if i was running water,and found a unused vacuum line at the base of my carbs, plus at higher engine speeds, u can also spray other things like NOS dry shot, but your pistons have to be dropped forged or they will burn out quickly, when i had a VW bug i all ways would run water just for the boost, and water is just about free, but rain water works the best, but u still have to use gas or propane, but u can stall a car on too much water too.thats why i would just use a vacuum line rather that a mini pump, even jet engines run water as a booster of take-offs..........ed 8 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StandardMonster |
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May 4 2008, 12:38 PM EDT "water makes steam, it will clean out all that unburnt gasoline too, but its hard on an engine at a stop light, i used fish tank hose so i could see if i was running water,and found a unused vacuum line at the base of my carbs, plus at higher engine speeds, u can also spray other things like NOS dry shot, but your pistons have to be dropped forged or they will burn out quickly, when i had a VW bug i all ways would run water just for the boost, and water is just about free, but rain water works the best, but u still have to use gas or propane, but u can stall a car on too much water too.thats why i would just use a vacuum line rather that a mini pump, even jet engines run water as a booster of take-offs..........ed"You are correct, but there is split oxygen and hydrogen in with the steam wich is a highly combustable mixture. The steam will raise wour compression ratio, the oxygen will make the gasoline burn more completely, and the hydrogen is a combustable fuel within itself. This mix will change the way your fule is burned and you will likely want to retard your timing a few degrees just like when using nos. I have mine back 3 degrees from stock. It can be hard on the engine but I'm still trucking along with my extra 12 mpg with gas prices as they are and my 94 toyota camery 4 cyl. at 166k miles about 30k of wich have been with the booster. The car is only worth maybe $2500 and i've already saved more than that in fuel. If I bought a brand new car I don't think i would do this unless it was a lease LOL!!! but if you have an old junker and like to tinker give it a try. I use a potentiometer on 2 AA batteries in parallel on the o2 sensors with a resistor, and a diode to prevent backfeed to lean the motor out a little, an air fuel mixture guage from amazon.com was only $28 to see what your doing, and check your plugs to see if your leaning the car too much you want the buildup to appear gray. Black is rich and white is too lean. I look at it as a bit of a hobby to play around with that is saving me a crapload of money. 4 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
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May 5 2008, 12:10 AM EDT Yo, StandardMunster! You circumvented the catalyst preheat in your emission controls. It was the bypassing of the O2 sensor signals to deliberately mislead your engine's computer that increased your economy. Problem is, it means your catalytic converter isn't being kept hot enough to do its job, and you're generating more smog. I hope you don't live in a pollution-control area because the mods you made are illegal. 6 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StandardMonster |
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May 5 2008, 12:55 AM EDT "Yo, StandardMunster!Sorry Mr. Knowitall but your wrong the cat will work fine because the heat from the exhaust is actually hotter through this process. The computer does not control the temp. of the cat, it is a thermal process heated directly from exhaust gasses,and it actually burns cleaner because there is a more thorough burn and less fuel being pumped in. I am not bypassing the sensor either, just adding voltage to the circuit, Specifically the only thing this does is tell the injectors to stay open for less time. It does not interfere with any other system. If you want to check it out yourself go ask a mechanic. 8 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
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May 5 2008, 1:17 AM EDT The catalyst is kept warm by introducing unburned hydrocarbons onto the platinum alloy catalyst grid. I AM a mechanic, and smog licensed. You told the computer to lean the mixture beyond the preset allowance determined by the specific O2 sensors installed on your vehicle. A little knowledge is dangerous, and let's not be quite so nasty, eh? If you don't believe me, take your car down to have it inspected at a licensed smog station. If it passes, it's luck, not skill. 7 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
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May 5 2008, 1:21 AM EDT Sorry, I left out that it's a FEEDBACK LOOP system: the mixture is controlled by the computer in response to the signal voltage returning from the O2 sensor. Alter the signal and you alter the whole system. 4 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StandardMonster |
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May 5 2008, 10:39 AM EDT "The catalyst is kept warm by introducing unburned hydrocarbons onto the platinum alloy catalyst grid. I AM a mechanic, and smog licensed. You told the computer to lean the mixture beyond the preset allowance determined by the specific O2 sensors installed on your vehicle. A little knowledge is dangerous, and let's not be quite so nasty, eh? If you don't believe me, take your car down to have it inspected at a licensed smog station. If it passes, it's luck, not skill."It has already been through, all they do for inspection is slide a mirror under the car to check that the cat is still there and do an exhaust test. It passed fine. With this increased fuel economy I am now burning around 2 gal. of fuel compared to where it would have otherwise burned 3. This alone reduces emissions. Less petrol=less emissions. I have known people with high performance cars to pass the emission test with dummy cats on there vehicles by running them lean when they go through. When you speak of legality I think this was the intended focus, because they pass the test, get through, and fatten the mixture up the same afternoon. My car runs as clean every day as when it passed the test 3 mos. ago. If you still disagree with me that's fine, I guess we can agree to disagree and lets just move on. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
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May 6 2008, 10:10 PM EDT True enough (well-tuned H-P cars running clean), and it means you have some experience as a mechanic. However, I'm against things like this primarily because the average Joe doesn't take care of his automobile. The number of people that won't even change the oil, let alone have their car tuned, would amaze you. Even better is the number that will try to tune their car themselves, get a new set of spark plugs and install them without setting the spark gap. "It's the right plug, it's already adjusted" is wrong; the plug is probably designed to fit a dozen or more different engines with different spark gaps. A 0.002-inch difference can be huge. "Less petrol=less emissions" is only true as long as the mixture is burned by the ignition system. A very light misfire can double the unburned hydrocarbon output; also, it can increase the amount of CO or NO produced. Not to say your own car didn't pass if you had it tested, simply that it may be beyond the mechanical and/or technical aptitude of many people to set it up right, and that many of the gadgets advertised on the Web may not work, or work only on a few types of automobile. I made one mod on my '99 S-10 that worked, but only fractionally: a gain of 5 HP on my 2.2 liter 4-cylinder with subsequent increase of 1.4 mpg, at a cost of $225 for the K&N cold-air intake assembly (4 yrs ago). Got 17 mpg cross-country for 2550 miles with a 3500 lb. load (1000 over its rated capacity!), using octane booster and 91-octane gas. On 87 octane cruising normally it gets up to 25 mpg, but that's about it. 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
 crosen |
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May 9 2008, 11:54 PM EDT Hey guys, new to the arena. Not much of a mechanic...did some mechanical engineering for a couple years, but turning to the hands on stuff. Anyway, Have either of you heard of the PICC (Pre-ignition catalytic converter) and HAFC (Hydro-assist fuel cell), they claim to be able to cut your fuel consumption by a lot and guarantee their product works or your money back. Here's the website, http://www.preignitioncc.com/mechanic/index.htm just wondering if this is actually feasible? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StandardMonster |
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May 11 2008, 4:39 AM EDT Although myself and drifter disagree on alot of things, i think one thing we do agree on is don't buy any of these things. The pre ignition catalytic converter just pre-heats the fuel b4 it goes to the injectors. You could tap heat from your exhaust manifold and do this yourself for about 10 dollars, and the hho generator can be built from cheap stuff from home depot.. Plus I saw they had a fuel additive on the package, this is just xylene or toluline you can get from the local hardware store by the gallon. It works as octane boost and you can look at any comercial container for octane boost it will contain one of these. I do understand where Drifter is coming from on his last post. If you do not have a mechanical background, you probably do not want to mess with this stuff. You Can Burn Up Your Engine. If You feel that you could rebuild a car engine, play with it. Or if you have an old junker and are not worried about it go ahead. Please do not mess with this stuff if you are just guessing and it is your only transportation to work. The website you saw was just a recycle of info you can get for free and they are trying to make money on it. Until now I did not respond to Drifters last post because I agree with most of what he was talking about. I love playing around with cars, it has been a hobby since i have been a teen, I can work with points, and electronic ignition naturally aspirated, a turbo or a supercharger. They all work the same, but there is always a function of air to fuel mixture and ignition timing going into the engine. If you dont get it right the engine will not run well and detonation can burn a hole in a piston. You can prevent this if you know what to look for and how to correct the problem. If you do not your car will likely end up in the junkyard. I always figure if I can do it anybody can, but you do need to do your homework first. 7 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
RE: run your car on water
May 11 2008, 4:24 PM EDT For standardmonster and crosen: One of the coolest I have seen on the Web to date was at unitednuclear.com, which is an amateur-chemistry supply site. They've been working on a hydrogen power setup for several years, the last time I checked their site there were marketing difficulties because of 'safety concerns' on the part of our loving Federal Government. Simple system: Solar-powered hydrolysis machine and hydride fuel cells. The cells have no pressure until heated. They test-installed on an SUV and a Corvette, and had teething pains but most are worked out already. This one's for real, not a leftover recycled out of the back of a kid's comic book. My real concern is they'll 'disappear' before the project reaches fruition and we'll have to build our own systems from scratch. Standardmonster, if you want the MBs to test something that lets a car 'run on water', unitednuclear.com's is the best bet, IF theirs really works Adam and Jamie could get them national exposure. No, I have no affiliation whatsoever with them, I have my own website to play with, www.martiandrifter.com. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
RE: run your car on water
May 11 2008, 4:27 PM EDT 'Hydride fuel cells': read 'tanks'. It's not a fuel-cell conversion kit, ya still got pistons, valves et cetera, lots of horsepower still on tap and nearly pure steam out of your tailpipes. Exhaust afterburning catalysts not necessary and smog exempt (alternative-fueled vehicle). 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StandardMonster |
RE: run your car on water
May 14 2008, 2:49 AM EDT Looks Good!!!!! I've seen this site b4, but they have been researching for two years and have put nothing up for sale on this, not to say i am not hopeful for the near future. Nissan is going to release a fully electric car in 2010, can,t wait to see what they have in store. Tessla will hopefully have their reasonably priced 4 door by then and Chevy will have hopefully release the VOLT. I guess we will see. It is strange to me with everything going on in the current situation, WHAT HAPPENED with the talks from a few years back about the second pipeline from Alaska that would ship natural gas?????? This may get away from the thread a bit but it is related. The most commonly used source to get pure hydrogen is natural gas. Although the most eco friendly is water, but as a natural byproduct of drilling oil we get loads of natural gas that they distribute for free to locals"which is fine it is used for practical purposes like heating and generators" but they burn the rest off as a waste product "which is not logical" the idea behind the second pipeline was to bring the extra natural gas here, to keep prices low.This is a waste product that is burned. We could use that gas compressed in tanks to run our cars, saving CO output by not burning the gas as waste. Specifically using it as a replacement for gasoline as an option. Not even converting it to hydrogrn but more efficiently putting it to use and saving the CO output of petrol refining and use. This alone could be a step to reducing the demand and cost of petrol, a domino effect in the right direction. The way these things are handled sickens me. There are many steps to solutions out there, probably enough steps to = a sloution but policy makers are either too stupid to let it happen or are paid to make it not happen. I'm smart enough to see this and I don't even spell or punctuate properly.LOL!!!!! Our country is truely being run by idiots!!!! 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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StandardMonster |
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May 14 2008, 2:59 AM EDT Sorry!! about the rant.... but it seems I'm going to have to write Al Gore in.. for Democrat or Ron Paul for Republican because these are the only two polititions that at least appear to really be looking for solutions and not to extend the status quo for their term. And the media at large would not ever give either of them a chance. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
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May 14 2008, 6:13 PM EDT What rant? Umm...longer than two years, I first visited their site about four years ago and they'd been working on it for a couple of years then. They've made progress, the system works, but they've been stymied by the DOT over 'safety issues'. This was the safest, most practical system I've seen, and they have tangible proof it works. All they need is good media exposure. Nice to hear you're not voting for Barary Clintama. Smile, this part's a joke...Al Gore will never last as President, he'll tie his tongue instead of his shoes, trip on the microphone wires leading into the Oval Office and die from embarrassment. If Ron Paul gets elected: the National Enquirer, Globe, Star and Sun will overfeed and die from colic, causing grocery shoppers across America to go on strike for lack of reading material at the checkout, which will in turn cause another Depression... :-) 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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martiandrifter01 |
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May 14 2008, 6:24 PM EDT On the natural gas burnoff: Out West I had natural gas (aka Methane) heat, water heater, clothes dryer and range, and loved it. The water heater could regenerate in under 30 minutes (40 gal. tank), I heated a 3-br, 1500-sq. ft. home for under $80 a month with temps in the high 20s at night, and natural gas is the best heat source I've used for cooking. The clothes dryer would run (dry?) rings around an electric model. The oil producers burn off thousands of cubic feet of methane a minute; I used a couple hundred cubic feet per month. They get good money for selling it as a fuel. So, why burn it off? Not a clue, it's their own money they're wasting. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
