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The Myth

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Episode Title: Episode 55: Steam Cannon, Breakfast Cereal

Original air date:7/19/2006
Myth Title: Steam Cannon


Myth Description:
The team tests the myth that Archimedes built the world's first "supergun," a cannon powered by steam. Can they prove this incredible feat of historical steam-powered engineering? Or is the myth just a load of hot air?


MythBusters on the bust: Adam Savage, Jaime Hyneman


Hypothesis: Water can be flash converted to steam to create enough explosive force to fire a projectile.


Procedure/Experimental Design:
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Results:
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Conclusion:
Because they could not accomplish such a gun using modern materials it would not have been possible for Archimedes.

Busted or Not Busted:
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    • They need to "Flash" the water faster.
    1. They pored cold water into the gun. To get it to "Flash" into steam they would have a much better chance of it working if they started with boiling water. That way the waterneeds to absorb less heat to convert to steam and it will need less time. Hopefully this would create a more explosive combination.
    2. Better heat transfer from the evaporator to the water.
      1. Use Oil instead of the copper nails in the evaporator. Theres a very good reason people learning to cook are told to never add water to hot oil. If the oil is hot enough then the water enters the oil and converts to steam so fast that it explods sending skalding oil back at the cook. This is not a myth, this is a fact than any hospital can validate. Do NOT try this at home unless you want to live the rest of your life scarred and possibly blind. On the other hand inside of a steam cannon that's just the effect you need. As long as you keep your tempeture under the smoke/flash point of the oil then no oil is used up in the explosion, just water. If the tub of oil is large enough you could even get multiple rapid shots until the oil cools down too far (Don't forget to insulate your oil tub)
      2. The Mythbusters cannon was much too hot for good solid to water contact. When water hits a very hot solid surface instead of all the water evaporating just a thin layer of it evaporates and pushes the rest of the water away from the hot surface. To see this effect heat a frying pan as hot as it will go and splash some water dropplets into the pan. The water will skip and jump around the pan much longer than if the pan was at a lower tempeture. To avoid this effect you can lower the tempeture and increase the surface area. There's no reason the evaporator can't be as long, or even longer than the gun barrel. (but really using the oil from the point above allows you to use higher tempetures in a more compact package and will also probably give you a much more satisfying boom)

    • The Mythbusters designhad a very long cold barrel. Even if the initial burst of steam was enough to move the ball, the steam would have condensed as it traveled up the cold barrel. The condensing steam would have created suction equivalent to the original burst canceling it out. In the show you could see liquid water pouring/dripping from the tip of the barrel, A sure sign that the barrel was not hot all the way to the tip. The reason is that iron is a fairly poor conductor of heat. You can heat an iron bar to glowing red on one end and still be able to touch it at the other. The outside of the barrel needs to be wrapped in insulation. Without insulation they couldn't even get a basic boiler to work. Same principle here, if it's not hot it's not going to work. To improve the design even more wrap a layer of copper or other heat transfer material inside the insulation against the steal pipe. This will make sure you have a barrel with an even heat.


    • They could try different mixes of water from pure distilled water to heavy salt. Distilled water should turn to steam faster and at a lower temperature. Salted water needs a higher temperature but may result in a bigger boom! You could even try an alcohol/water mix, but only use enough alcohol so that the volume of your water is not impacted.

    • They used a large steel cannon ball designed for a much more modern gun powder powered cannon. Two problems with this:
    1. The steel ball is very heavy. Could be the gun fired something lighter such as a ball made of oak or many small oak balls (grapeshot). The claim is that the gun worked. There was no comment about what it was used for. Did it fire at ships or people? Was it a scientific curiosity or was it an effective weapon? We don't know. We don't even know if it was mounted outside to fire at on coming enemy, or inside at the end of a long hall as a last defense.
    2. The gun barrel was sized for a modern cannon ball. Could be the gun used a smaller dimeter barrel. If the hole is half the diameter then the ball should have twice the pressure. A quarter the diameter, four times the pressure...


      • If all else fails we KNOW the gun will work if it has a valve. Add a simple pressure valve that automatically releases when theres enough pressure. Theres a few different ways this could have been made at that time:
        • Hammer a wooden spike into the end of the barrel. As long as you don't hammer the spike in too much the spike should fail before the barrel does. You don't need ALL the pressure behind the ball, just most of it. This solution would pressurize the barrel behind and in front of the ball. Just make sure you have enough volume behind the ball to give it thrust. This solution has the added benefit of heating the barrel from the inside making external heat distribution unnecessary (insulation would still be a great idea though the steal barrel itself may give enough insulation)
        • or you could insert a thin sheet of copper between the ball and the steam. Copper is soft (especially when hot) and would fail before the steal did. Two ways I could see this working. 1) cut the back off the barrel, add a sheet of copper and then clamp the barrel back together again. 2) build a small steal frame that suspends a sheet of copper. Cut a slot in the back of the barrel that this frame can be inserted into and will completely block the barrel.
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      nottut Steam Cannon 2 May 11 2008, 2:37 AM EDT by TrueThanny
      Thread started: May 8 2008, 1:03 AM EDT  Watch
      Your long length of schedule 80 steel pipe was a beautiful heat sink. You heated up a small portion of the barrel to create steam, however the remainder of the barrel just sucked off the heat so that the steam condensed against the cooler steel and could not continue to expand to propel the ball. If you had insulated the entire length of the barrel, you might have had a chance. Ironically, a wooden barrel would have done a better job from this perspective. It wouldn't have been as strong but it wouldn't have sucked away all of your heat either.
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      nwerneck Archimedes, and mind over matter 0 May 9 2008, 12:52 PM EDT by nwerneck
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      Thread started: May 9 2008, 12:52 PM EDT  Watch
      Hey, it could be that Archimedes didn't have modern materials, but he was Archimedes!! Give it another try! :) You could at least try to make a smaller experiment, something like a steam rifle.

      And talking about new materials, we might also consider something like a nuclear-powered steam gun! How crazy is that??

      Regarding the problem of the water over the too hot surface, is this the phenomenon called "cavitation"?

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