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The Myth

THIS MYTH WAS FEATURED IN...
Episode 34: Bulletproof Water

ORIGINAL AIR DATE: 7/13/2005
Myth Title:360 Degree Swing Set

Myth Description:
Can a human rotate a "playground" swing 360 Degrees?


MythBusters on the bust:Kari Byron,Tori Belleci, Grant Imahara


Hypothesis: With people pushing, a person can generate enough force to keep the chains from slacking & do a "360".


Procedure/Experimental Design:
They do solo runs & a run with Grant being pushed to gather data on swing speed & height. Next "Simulade Susie" takes a ride &, with the help of a couple bikers, finally goes over the bar. However, the chains were still slack. It was not a true 360 degree swing.

After doing a small scale test, they realize that a rigid arm swing (not chained) takes much less force to make a complete revolution. They travel to Oakland to work with a circus performer to achieve a 360 on a rigid arm swing. While the mythbusters cannot handle it, the circus performer performs a 360 for them.

Now, they head back to the shop to see what it takes to make a chain swing go 360. They use rockets on the small scale to keep the chain straight as well as achieve velocity. They see that an angled rocket (40 degrees) achieves both. Next, they go full scale. After several failed designs, they go back to the design used in the small scale test & achieve their 360.



Results:
Under normal pushing power (whether solo or being pushed by others), there cannot be enoug force generated to achieve a full, chain straight 360.


Conclusion:
There just isn't enough force from a human. It took a rocket.


Busted or Not Busted:
Busted
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Best quotes by the MythBusters:

  • Adam "Even little Grant.."




Your Scientific Method

Did the MythBusters get it right? How would you have busted this myth differently? Share your experiment design for how you would prove/disprove this myth:

  • The assembly of the swing was destined to not work. The swing hardware mounting the chain to the support pole should have had free 360 degree swing as well. You should try it again with a flat seat and a free motion mount (with a guard to keep the mounts from sliding side to side).


  • The needed speed and energy can be computed from two basic physics equations:
1. To keep the chains straight even in the top position the centrifugal (NOT centripetal in this case) force must exceed the gravity pulling Susie and her swing straight down.
Fcent > Fgravity
m v^2 / r > m g
v^2 > g r
2. The kinetic energy at the bottom is the sum of the kinetic energy at the top, the potential energy held by the swing being up rather than down and the energy wasted by friction (including air resistance).
Ebot = Etop + Eheight + Efriction
1/2 m V^2 = 1/2 m v^2 + 1/2 m g 2r + Efriction
V^2 = v^2 + g 2r + 2 Efriction / m
V^2 = v^2 + 2 g r + 2 Efriction / m
Combining these two equations gives
V^2 > g r + 2 g r + 2 Efriction / m
V^2 > 3 g r + 2 Efriction / m
V > sqrt( 3 g r + 2 Efriction / m)
V > sqrt( 3 g r )
Inserting the values g = 9.8 m/s^2 and r = 2 m (7') we get
V > sqrt( 3 * 9.8 * 2 m^2 / s^2 )
V > 7.7 m/s
V > 27 km/h (17 miles/h)
So at the bottom of the curve, Susie needs to go more than 17 miles per hour, and that is on a small 7 foot swing and not including friction and air resistance. Longer chains need more speed (increase energy proportional to length, speed proportional to the square root of the length), more air resistance needs more speed and energy too.

  • If Susie changes the shape of her body (by bending or stretching her arms, legs and spine) to change the distance between her center of gravity and the center of the swing, she can affect the above energy calculations for better or for worse.




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area503 360 degrees swing set Busted? i dun think so... 0 May 5 2008, 12:43 AM EDT by area503
Thread started: May 5 2008, 12:43 AM EDT  Watch
I really have no idea why this myth isn't confirm. It might be the weight, but i feel that i must share my personal experience.

When i was young, i recall that there was this 14 year old who came to the swing to show off. He completed not 1 but 3 cycles ard the swing. and you can see the 3 loop made by the chains of the swing. I have no proof of this but i can only say that i have seen it happen before over 15 yrs ago. And i dare swear that i had tried to match the feat ever since. Is it busted? well, if it is, then i must have spend my childhood trying to match a magic trick then...

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